ItIsNotFunny
11-11 05:55 PM
Guys,
I saw there are 50 replied to this post. Looks like people are more interested in others problems than their own.
Its pity that MOST CRITICAL issue we are facing at present - AC21 Denial issue, is having only 77 mails but everyone is jumping gossipping. Come out of this and show a unity to real problems.
Grow up and don't escape from real problems. Its our problem and we need to fight to resolve it.
I saw there are 50 replied to this post. Looks like people are more interested in others problems than their own.
Its pity that MOST CRITICAL issue we are facing at present - AC21 Denial issue, is having only 77 mails but everyone is jumping gossipping. Come out of this and show a unity to real problems.
Grow up and don't escape from real problems. Its our problem and we need to fight to resolve it.
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mjdup
07-06 08:13 AM
I think this is a great idea, good way of protesting being submissive and also strong being a strong critic, I'm ordering my set of flowers...
I don't think IV core will oppose this idea..
I don't think IV core will oppose this idea..
unitednations
02-05 12:04 AM
Having diversity AND country quota for skilled employment is affirmative action gone waco. EB skilled immigration is to allow businesses to hire foreign labor for jobs they can't find American Citizens. Now to restrict businesses to discriminate based on the country of birth is just riduculous. Next do Universities apply affirmative action to their international student recruitement?
Indians and Chinese make up the largest group of international students in Engineering and Science. US citizens make up less than 50% of those graduating in Science and Engineering in Master's and PhD programs. Now businesses should not be penalized if they can't fill their highly skilled jobs with Iranians and Tongans and any other ROW countries.
We have a diversity lottery for nationals of those countries who would not make it out on merit and need a leg up. There may be a few Indian consulting companies who favor Indians, but they are the people who pay wages and know best. Similarly just because Americans prefer to buy Japanese cars we can't create an "affirmative action" and prevent americans from buying Japanese cars. We can't prevent walmart from stocking chinese products. So why force employers not to hire Indians and Chinese through creating quotas for highly skilled jobs?
No meaningful immigration reforms can be achieved as long as skilled immigration is based on country quotas. Next we know there will be quotas for marrying foreigners to add to diversity. If you marry a mexican there is retrogression but if you marry a citizen of Vanuatu then green card is processed in ROW:)
I was just making my point how ridiculous it is to have quotas for skilled immigration but not for others including asylum cases.
I'm not saying it is right. I think there should be no quotas; diversity or otherwise. It should follow normal business practices. Can't find american, we need you now you start working. This is how it works in everyday business.
However; we need to understand why doesn't immigration follow normal business practices. is it that we place more value on our contributions then what the country does. Is EB just another route to get people here like family, asylum, refugees, etc?
Although it may sound ridiculous but why is everyone want to put any limits to it. If proper controls can be put in place that there are genuine jobs and candidates are genuine then there shouldn't be any limits. How come no one wants to go for this solution. It actually makes more sense then just increasing the quota or not including dependents, etc.
Indians and Chinese make up the largest group of international students in Engineering and Science. US citizens make up less than 50% of those graduating in Science and Engineering in Master's and PhD programs. Now businesses should not be penalized if they can't fill their highly skilled jobs with Iranians and Tongans and any other ROW countries.
We have a diversity lottery for nationals of those countries who would not make it out on merit and need a leg up. There may be a few Indian consulting companies who favor Indians, but they are the people who pay wages and know best. Similarly just because Americans prefer to buy Japanese cars we can't create an "affirmative action" and prevent americans from buying Japanese cars. We can't prevent walmart from stocking chinese products. So why force employers not to hire Indians and Chinese through creating quotas for highly skilled jobs?
No meaningful immigration reforms can be achieved as long as skilled immigration is based on country quotas. Next we know there will be quotas for marrying foreigners to add to diversity. If you marry a mexican there is retrogression but if you marry a citizen of Vanuatu then green card is processed in ROW:)
I was just making my point how ridiculous it is to have quotas for skilled immigration but not for others including asylum cases.
I'm not saying it is right. I think there should be no quotas; diversity or otherwise. It should follow normal business practices. Can't find american, we need you now you start working. This is how it works in everyday business.
However; we need to understand why doesn't immigration follow normal business practices. is it that we place more value on our contributions then what the country does. Is EB just another route to get people here like family, asylum, refugees, etc?
Although it may sound ridiculous but why is everyone want to put any limits to it. If proper controls can be put in place that there are genuine jobs and candidates are genuine then there shouldn't be any limits. How come no one wants to go for this solution. It actually makes more sense then just increasing the quota or not including dependents, etc.
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dtekkedil
07-06 09:06 AM
No the core group doesn't oppose or endorse the idea. If you like the idea then go for it.
As for the media coverage, I was talking to a reporter last night and he agreed that this was a very good way to get media attention - so if people can increase the numbers, it would really help.
Additionally, here are my 2 cents on how the media coverage works. You think up of something unique and then create a buzz around it by talking about it in various forums, blog sites etc. So here's what I've done
1. Wrote about it on Desicritics: http://desicritics.org/2007/07/06/004733.php
2. Posted this message to South Asian Journalists Association mailing list (www.saja.org)
3. Talking to various reporters to cover this
You cannot get everyone excited about all the action items, correct? So if people are excited about this, why grumble about some of them not supporting other action items? I for one have actively taken part in all of them and I like this one as well.
Thanks English!
This is the problem with most people I talked to! They seem to think that this is a joke! What most people don't understand is that it can work!
I am glad to know that a reporter thinks that this is a good idea!
So come on people it can work! But only if you all support it! IV cannot endorse this... do this on your own! Take a chance... all you will lose is a few dollars! But you can potentially be heard in the national media!
As for the media coverage, I was talking to a reporter last night and he agreed that this was a very good way to get media attention - so if people can increase the numbers, it would really help.
Additionally, here are my 2 cents on how the media coverage works. You think up of something unique and then create a buzz around it by talking about it in various forums, blog sites etc. So here's what I've done
1. Wrote about it on Desicritics: http://desicritics.org/2007/07/06/004733.php
2. Posted this message to South Asian Journalists Association mailing list (www.saja.org)
3. Talking to various reporters to cover this
You cannot get everyone excited about all the action items, correct? So if people are excited about this, why grumble about some of them not supporting other action items? I for one have actively taken part in all of them and I like this one as well.
Thanks English!
This is the problem with most people I talked to! They seem to think that this is a joke! What most people don't understand is that it can work!
I am glad to know that a reporter thinks that this is a good idea!
So come on people it can work! But only if you all support it! IV cannot endorse this... do this on your own! Take a chance... all you will lose is a few dollars! But you can potentially be heard in the national media!
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needhelp!
09-17 06:32 PM
I thought this was already addressed just yesterday. I don't have the time to find the link.. could you try doing a search on this.
nik.patelc
07-17 08:28 PM
Thank you very much. Greate relief. Lets continue to work together to end retrogression. Congratulation to every IV members.
Thanks a lot to all members for being with us in this struggle. We have tasted our first big success this year. Credit goes to each and every IV member. We were all affected by the visa bulletin fiasco and this is our victory. This is a victory for all our members and we must rejoice.
IV had worked very hard and had been pushing for this in the background. Our flower campaign, rally and other advocacy efforts all came together and helped us at a crunch time. We thank members that sent flowers and also walked in the San Jose heat for 4 hours. All that really shows our commitment to this cause.
We are happy that our efforts are successful and IV has been able to make a difference. Please also know that during this effort, IV was extremely active and decision makers heard our voice. We cannot give out all the details but what IV members should know is that these efforts should make each one of us proud and what we can do if we have a firm resolve. We were also the first to break this news even before anyone else or media could, and continued to update our members as time passed.
IV also thanks its contributing members and it is because of their contributions we were able to continue this effort. Many thanks to the members that are contributing now after this good news.
Please continue your support for this organization and be an integral member of this ever growing community, so that this journey can continue and we can end retrogression and have immigrationvoice as our voice.
Team IV
Thanks a lot to all members for being with us in this struggle. We have tasted our first big success this year. Credit goes to each and every IV member. We were all affected by the visa bulletin fiasco and this is our victory. This is a victory for all our members and we must rejoice.
IV had worked very hard and had been pushing for this in the background. Our flower campaign, rally and other advocacy efforts all came together and helped us at a crunch time. We thank members that sent flowers and also walked in the San Jose heat for 4 hours. All that really shows our commitment to this cause.
We are happy that our efforts are successful and IV has been able to make a difference. Please also know that during this effort, IV was extremely active and decision makers heard our voice. We cannot give out all the details but what IV members should know is that these efforts should make each one of us proud and what we can do if we have a firm resolve. We were also the first to break this news even before anyone else or media could, and continued to update our members as time passed.
IV also thanks its contributing members and it is because of their contributions we were able to continue this effort. Many thanks to the members that are contributing now after this good news.
Please continue your support for this organization and be an integral member of this ever growing community, so that this journey can continue and we can end retrogression and have immigrationvoice as our voice.
Team IV
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a1b2c3
09-12 07:41 AM
If we can even collectively demand official data, which I think we are entitled to, it will help IV community in estimating the wait times for individual cases. It may also help USCIS in correcting their projections and forseeing the demand.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21462
Count me in for any effort in this direction.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21462
Count me in for any effort in this direction.
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reedandbamboo
09-15 09:44 AM
For 2 and 3, the following is the address...
Acting Director Jonathan Scharfen
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
Acting Deputy Director, Michael Aytes
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
Thanks!!
Acting Director Jonathan Scharfen
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
Acting Deputy Director, Michael Aytes
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service
20 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20529
Thanks!!
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akkakarla
09-08 03:39 PM
As someone said it is better to delete this thread. There is no constructive discussion here at all
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newbie2020
02-25 12:02 PM
The idea needs to be taken to the next step, How about a conference call....I can provide a Bridge for the call
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needhelp!
06-17 02:58 PM
Very Well Written. It was a pleasure meeting and working with you. ;)
Cheers,
Rayoflight
Ditto.. Advocacy lectures by logiclife are an experience you CANNOT miss. And those who got LIVE training in lawmaker offices because they were too new and didn't make it on Sunday.. absolutely not fair..:cool:
Cheers,
Rayoflight
Ditto.. Advocacy lectures by logiclife are an experience you CANNOT miss. And those who got LIVE training in lawmaker offices because they were too new and didn't make it on Sunday.. absolutely not fair..:cool:
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amits
07-17 07:05 PM
** I've posted this message in other threads as well. Want to be part of every thread circulated in appreciation of IV and its contribution to the relief that we got today **
I don't have words to show my gratitude and appreciation for IV team.
On July 2nd, I was so upset. I did not have a clue of what is going to happen.
Then I came across IV. I joined it as I was joining any forum remotely related to immigration issues.
Logiclife is right, in the beginning it's difficult to realize how important IV is. But as time passed I realized the strength of IV.
When employers, attorney, doctors all were busy making money out of our misery, dedicated core members and others in IV were preparing to take our cause forward and to fight till we got the justice.
Today, And I am glad to be a part of it...
I am with you guys for just 15 days, but I feel empowered.
Today, I was exuberant, and I don't think this would have been possible without so much effort, unity, perseverance, and enthusiasm in our group.
I am going to be a lifetime member and contributor to the cause of IV family.
I run my family in US and understand it's impossible to maintain a family and make progress in the target areas without proper money flow.
To help in that area, I am making first time $500 contribution and then $20 per month.
Thanks a lot IV!
- Amit
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I don't have words to show my gratitude and appreciation for IV team.
On July 2nd, I was so upset. I did not have a clue of what is going to happen.
Then I came across IV. I joined it as I was joining any forum remotely related to immigration issues.
Logiclife is right, in the beginning it's difficult to realize how important IV is. But as time passed I realized the strength of IV.
When employers, attorney, doctors all were busy making money out of our misery, dedicated core members and others in IV were preparing to take our cause forward and to fight till we got the justice.
Today, And I am glad to be a part of it...
I am with you guys for just 15 days, but I feel empowered.
Today, I was exuberant, and I don't think this would have been possible without so much effort, unity, perseverance, and enthusiasm in our group.
I am going to be a lifetime member and contributor to the cause of IV family.
I run my family in US and understand it's impossible to maintain a family and make progress in the target areas without proper money flow.
To help in that area, I am making first time $500 contribution and then $20 per month.
Thanks a lot IV!
- Amit
____________
Google Order #90033**********
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dvb123
07-09 08:10 PM
I understand that IV leadership is agains't lawsuits because they take time. However most of the timelines immigration lawsuits are of 1 to 2 years time.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-547.pdf
http://neuro.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=illegal%20immigration&url=/supct/html/00-767.ZS.html
http://neuro.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/search.html?query=illegal+immigration&scope=onlysyllabi
We have a number of things to argue in a lawsuit. One can be the double dipping thing that a USCIS official himself agreed.
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_empbas.html
Then the lost visa numbers due to USCIS inefficiency can also be argued. There is a slim chance of visa bills being passed. Those people who are counting on Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill to pass there is a very slim chance also because Zoe Longfren herself told in a TV interview that anti immigrant groups are very strong now. The OPT lawsuit is the best example of hue and cry that anti immigrant groups are making.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/06pdf/05-547.pdf
http://neuro.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=illegal%20immigration&url=/supct/html/00-767.ZS.html
http://neuro.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/search.html?query=illegal+immigration&scope=onlysyllabi
We have a number of things to argue in a lawsuit. One can be the double dipping thing that a USCIS official himself agreed.
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_empbas.html
Then the lost visa numbers due to USCIS inefficiency can also be argued. There is a slim chance of visa bills being passed. Those people who are counting on Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill to pass there is a very slim chance also because Zoe Longfren herself told in a TV interview that anti immigrant groups are very strong now. The OPT lawsuit is the best example of hue and cry that anti immigrant groups are making.
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Goodintentions
04-14 01:57 PM
Looks like this idea has come out of mere frustration. Do you know how many people want to immigrate to the USA? Do you know how many people are waiting in line? Do you think it is correct that only EB-immigrants should be given preference? Why because USA needs all of them? While I have used "you" in the previous sentences, I don't mean just you....rather "we".
If you have time-bound path to immigration, then right now, the whole Federal Govt. and all employees will have to work only on getting the immigration files cleared. Under current circumstances, I think the current system will get you a GC faster than if they switched to "time bound" today. Do you realize, how many people will suddenly be suing the Govt. for delays? There is no country which guarantees time-bound path to PR.
While I forcefully oppose the DREAM ACT and CIR, these did not give time bound GCs but only allowed illegals to convert to legals and in time APPLY for GC if they become eligible.
================
Thanks for your comments.
I honestly do not understand why you seem to be opposed to this approach to alleviate the sufferings of so mant EB3 (esp) and EB2 friends. Discussion and debate are always good.
Here are a few facts:
1. Most of the advanced countries in the world - UK, Australia, NZ, Switzerland, Singapore and some Scandinavian countries offer a time based path to residency and citizenship for the educated class of people who come through the proper channel to work
2. In Canada, Australia, NZ (there could be other countries, but I am not sure) people can apply for a PR based on their OWN education and experience. They are not held hostage by their employers and harassed for ages. It is happening here because the lobbies are very powerful and are supported financially by the corporations to serve their interests. The system has been craftily designed to ensure long term indentured labour
3. In the entire scheme of things the real beneficiaries are the employers and the law firms
4. The system would be streamlined and the work of the government would become much simpler and faster. This is the way governments works in several western countries who offer a time bound programme
5. Every month our EB friends need not stare at the bulletin with great expectations and waste their time
6.Everyone can plan their future better. (I do not think I need to explain this)
Best wishes and thanks for your post..
If you have time-bound path to immigration, then right now, the whole Federal Govt. and all employees will have to work only on getting the immigration files cleared. Under current circumstances, I think the current system will get you a GC faster than if they switched to "time bound" today. Do you realize, how many people will suddenly be suing the Govt. for delays? There is no country which guarantees time-bound path to PR.
While I forcefully oppose the DREAM ACT and CIR, these did not give time bound GCs but only allowed illegals to convert to legals and in time APPLY for GC if they become eligible.
================
Thanks for your comments.
I honestly do not understand why you seem to be opposed to this approach to alleviate the sufferings of so mant EB3 (esp) and EB2 friends. Discussion and debate are always good.
Here are a few facts:
1. Most of the advanced countries in the world - UK, Australia, NZ, Switzerland, Singapore and some Scandinavian countries offer a time based path to residency and citizenship for the educated class of people who come through the proper channel to work
2. In Canada, Australia, NZ (there could be other countries, but I am not sure) people can apply for a PR based on their OWN education and experience. They are not held hostage by their employers and harassed for ages. It is happening here because the lobbies are very powerful and are supported financially by the corporations to serve their interests. The system has been craftily designed to ensure long term indentured labour
3. In the entire scheme of things the real beneficiaries are the employers and the law firms
4. The system would be streamlined and the work of the government would become much simpler and faster. This is the way governments works in several western countries who offer a time bound programme
5. Every month our EB friends need not stare at the bulletin with great expectations and waste their time
6.Everyone can plan their future better. (I do not think I need to explain this)
Best wishes and thanks for your post..
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bikram_das_in
02-25 07:16 AM
This is a very good idea.
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royus77
07-17 07:51 PM
Congrats IV team... you've proved yourself today.
:) :)
However this is only the start... we have a lot of things to accomplish once we return from the celebrations :
- recapture 200K+ unused EB visas
- abolish per country limits on EB visas
- Increase EB visa share by 50K (now that DV is gone)
- 3 yr EADs and APs
.... Any other bright ideas invited...
abolish per country limits on EB visas will back fire us because of diversity issue. We should propose some thing where there is no controversy to reject and that's is recapture 200K visas and EAD/APO for 3 years
:) :)
However this is only the start... we have a lot of things to accomplish once we return from the celebrations :
- recapture 200K+ unused EB visas
- abolish per country limits on EB visas
- Increase EB visa share by 50K (now that DV is gone)
- 3 yr EADs and APs
.... Any other bright ideas invited...
abolish per country limits on EB visas will back fire us because of diversity issue. We should propose some thing where there is no controversy to reject and that's is recapture 200K visas and EAD/APO for 3 years
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santb1975
11-20 10:26 AM
We can do better than this. We are all hardworking, highly skilled immigrants contributing to the US economy. We can all contribute for our cause and get our issues resolved. Let's show our financial strength.
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belmontboy
04-15 09:55 PM
So typical of you guys. Once you lose an argument you start abusing and if the opponent is a female its more the merrier for you guys. Do you even know the basis rule of being polite with everyone in USA. So if the guy is an american you will kiss his feet. The moment the person is an indian you start abusing if it is an indian female then you have a licence to abuse
And these are the kinds of people who will get US citizenshiph
If you flip the pages you would know who started all these.
I did have some respect for your words though
And these are the kinds of people who will get US citizenshiph
If you flip the pages you would know who started all these.
I did have some respect for your words though
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nixstor
04-10 03:51 PM
From the AILA Doc:
USCIS can now announce that the cap of 20,000 on these exempt cases remains open and that
USCIS will continue to monitor these filings.
That means - US-MS petitions on and before APril 9 are safe and USCIS is still accepting US-MS applications
Correct?
I guess so.
If we add up the 119K and 13K (masters) it is around 132K. if they have received only one application per packet, the counting is almost over except for the 1000 odd applications and the masters cap is wide open as Mr Oh said. It would have been good if they said how many packets still need to be processed.
USCIS can now announce that the cap of 20,000 on these exempt cases remains open and that
USCIS will continue to monitor these filings.
That means - US-MS petitions on and before APril 9 are safe and USCIS is still accepting US-MS applications
Correct?
I guess so.
If we add up the 119K and 13K (masters) it is around 132K. if they have received only one application per packet, the counting is almost over except for the 1000 odd applications and the masters cap is wide open as Mr Oh said. It would have been good if they said how many packets still need to be processed.
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03-06 10:18 PM
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npatel
04-25 08:07 AM
I completed my MS in Computer Science from US around 6 years back, was on OPT for a year & thereafter moved out of US & came back to my home town. Have been working here for 6 years now in the software field & have now applied for H1B under masters Quota. Was wondering if I am eligible to apply under this quota as I am neither a fresh masters graduate nor have any status in the US. Also, my lawyer has only filled out the I-129 form. Is there any special form that needs to be filled out to be considered for Master's quota?
Please reply�:rolleyes:
See my reply in
All H1B Master's Quota here Thread
Please reply�:rolleyes:
See my reply in
All H1B Master's Quota here Thread
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