walking_dude
11-30 02:40 PM
Thanks hpandey. Others, please continue with the contributions. Let's strengthen IV to a position that it can push through our legislations.
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realizeit
02-25 12:58 PM
Dear QASleuth, I have contacted Pappu and asked him to discuss this among CORE and provide us an official IV position. Once we hear back from Pappu or CORE, we can proceed further.
Regarding what I am planning to do: If we get IV CORE's support, I will try to organize a group from St Louis MO to work on this. But we need an excellent bunch of folks from the DC/NY area who can actually meet folks at the capital and get the ball rolling. All others who are far away from DC/NY area can form small regional groups to raise funds to support the DC/NY group which will drive this effort.
We should do something only after IV CORE's analysis of this issue and a legal feasibility study by immigration/constitutional attorneys IV can access.
QASleuth and others who would like to do something: Please don't wait for any action from my side. You can form regional working groups now itself. Just form members of 5 and discuss this and stay in touch.
I am new to this whole effort as anyone else here.
Once again friends, as I said earlier: "We have far more things that unite all of us than the few things that divide us. So, let us focus only those things that unite all of us."
So, please refrain yourself from pointing fingers at someone else and attacking someone personally.
I am hoping realizeit is in the process of contacting IV core and will update us soon. If not, realizeit please update as to what you are planning on doing.
After IV core gives us the go ahead, I think we should take your offer on the bridge call.
I would also suggest, not sending any mails yet to Ombudsman till we form a plan of action.
Ofcourse, still eagerly waiting for desi3933 to get back to us with cold hard analysis to set us straight :)
Regarding what I am planning to do: If we get IV CORE's support, I will try to organize a group from St Louis MO to work on this. But we need an excellent bunch of folks from the DC/NY area who can actually meet folks at the capital and get the ball rolling. All others who are far away from DC/NY area can form small regional groups to raise funds to support the DC/NY group which will drive this effort.
We should do something only after IV CORE's analysis of this issue and a legal feasibility study by immigration/constitutional attorneys IV can access.
QASleuth and others who would like to do something: Please don't wait for any action from my side. You can form regional working groups now itself. Just form members of 5 and discuss this and stay in touch.
I am new to this whole effort as anyone else here.
Once again friends, as I said earlier: "We have far more things that unite all of us than the few things that divide us. So, let us focus only those things that unite all of us."
So, please refrain yourself from pointing fingers at someone else and attacking someone personally.
I am hoping realizeit is in the process of contacting IV core and will update us soon. If not, realizeit please update as to what you are planning on doing.
After IV core gives us the go ahead, I think we should take your offer on the bridge call.
I would also suggest, not sending any mails yet to Ombudsman till we form a plan of action.
Ofcourse, still eagerly waiting for desi3933 to get back to us with cold hard analysis to set us straight :)
willigetgc?
06-18 09:25 AM
Be Unreasonable & a cause of progress, not just a beneficiary.
And now to the UNreasonables:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw
Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950)
Every single person who came to DC this time or the time before, or who came to San Jose rally has been told by friends, family and colleagues "Why are you going to DC, let others go, take care of yourself, all problems get fixed eventually, Congress will take care of it".
They sound very reasonable or try to convince you that they are the reasonable ones and you are being unreasonable by going to the Capitol and working on your cause.
The truth is...yes, we may be. But we are the ones who will eventually make a difference. If you read the quote from George Bernard Shaw, you will realize that the reasonable men and women will sit around and talk about us, save their time for family and leisure and comply themselves to the system. They will comply themselves to a system that keeps in hanging without a green card for 20 years. They will never be capable of ushering progress.
The unreasonable ones, the ones like us, who contribute to this cause in various forms, are the gifted ones. We are the lucky ones. For we have the wisdom and the strength to do the unreasonable and get the world to comply to our point of view.
And flower campaign, the DC rally -- that got bulletin reversed in 2007,
the popularity of removing per-country ceilings in the offices that exist today and didnt exist before --
All this a work of men and women like us who are unreasonably resilient, who will not listen to the advise of reasonable men who sit on the sidelines and refresh the Visa Bulletin page every first friday of every month 20 times a day.
But to those who get it...I have one more quote for you, a final one, I promise:
"If we did all the things we are capable of, we would literally astound ourselves."
Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931)
I wish the problem of greencard backlogs get cleared soon, but if it doesnt, I will do this a 100 times again and with same or more passion, determination and purpose. Our energy and determination would outlast and outlive the intertia of Congress.
Not having participated in any previous efforts, the skepticism I had when I landed in DC vanished the moment you started the training session. You are right, if we are not goaded into action, we are content to refresh the visa bulletin every 1st Friday of the month - why 20? 50 times a day!!
Never once did I realize that by clicking on refresh button - I am actually doing nothing to change the outcome of what will be published. However, during the training, during our lawmaker meeting in DC - I realized I AM ACTUALLY WORKING TO CHANGE THAT VISA BULLETIN
I realized that my participation will not bare immediate fruits but just that I added a good dose of Miracle Grow and Water. The amount of sunshine is controlled by the powers beyond me, but IV and I are working to make sure that our plant does not get overshadowed by larger trees. Will I be ready to add more Miracle grow in the next 4/5 months? ABSOLUTELY.
Every IV member can take this as a challenge or as a request - watch the political environment and follow what is happening on the IV forums and action items. As things get warmer, talk to your bosses, spouses and be prepared to participate in Lobby or Rally efforts that will propel our issues to the forefront and get the solutions (be it in whole or partial). Be prepared to participate. Find reasons to participate in such efforts and not excuses/contention/indifference. If you can't do it, find others to take your spot. Do what it takes.
We may be high skilled in technology but we have a long way to go in terms of communication - and to find you LOGICLIFE, an excellent communicator - it is a privilege, be trained by him, and to actually be in a meeting with him - Priceless.
Lastly, I want to say, that I have become so "Unreasonable" and am trying to convince every friend of mine to be active in IV for our issues, that I have come to a point where I want every high skilled immigrant to perceive solutions to immigration the way I do!!!
And now to the UNreasonables:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw
Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950)
Every single person who came to DC this time or the time before, or who came to San Jose rally has been told by friends, family and colleagues "Why are you going to DC, let others go, take care of yourself, all problems get fixed eventually, Congress will take care of it".
They sound very reasonable or try to convince you that they are the reasonable ones and you are being unreasonable by going to the Capitol and working on your cause.
The truth is...yes, we may be. But we are the ones who will eventually make a difference. If you read the quote from George Bernard Shaw, you will realize that the reasonable men and women will sit around and talk about us, save their time for family and leisure and comply themselves to the system. They will comply themselves to a system that keeps in hanging without a green card for 20 years. They will never be capable of ushering progress.
The unreasonable ones, the ones like us, who contribute to this cause in various forms, are the gifted ones. We are the lucky ones. For we have the wisdom and the strength to do the unreasonable and get the world to comply to our point of view.
And flower campaign, the DC rally -- that got bulletin reversed in 2007,
the popularity of removing per-country ceilings in the offices that exist today and didnt exist before --
All this a work of men and women like us who are unreasonably resilient, who will not listen to the advise of reasonable men who sit on the sidelines and refresh the Visa Bulletin page every first friday of every month 20 times a day.
But to those who get it...I have one more quote for you, a final one, I promise:
"If we did all the things we are capable of, we would literally astound ourselves."
Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931)
I wish the problem of greencard backlogs get cleared soon, but if it doesnt, I will do this a 100 times again and with same or more passion, determination and purpose. Our energy and determination would outlast and outlive the intertia of Congress.
Not having participated in any previous efforts, the skepticism I had when I landed in DC vanished the moment you started the training session. You are right, if we are not goaded into action, we are content to refresh the visa bulletin every 1st Friday of the month - why 20? 50 times a day!!
Never once did I realize that by clicking on refresh button - I am actually doing nothing to change the outcome of what will be published. However, during the training, during our lawmaker meeting in DC - I realized I AM ACTUALLY WORKING TO CHANGE THAT VISA BULLETIN
I realized that my participation will not bare immediate fruits but just that I added a good dose of Miracle Grow and Water. The amount of sunshine is controlled by the powers beyond me, but IV and I are working to make sure that our plant does not get overshadowed by larger trees. Will I be ready to add more Miracle grow in the next 4/5 months? ABSOLUTELY.
Every IV member can take this as a challenge or as a request - watch the political environment and follow what is happening on the IV forums and action items. As things get warmer, talk to your bosses, spouses and be prepared to participate in Lobby or Rally efforts that will propel our issues to the forefront and get the solutions (be it in whole or partial). Be prepared to participate. Find reasons to participate in such efforts and not excuses/contention/indifference. If you can't do it, find others to take your spot. Do what it takes.
We may be high skilled in technology but we have a long way to go in terms of communication - and to find you LOGICLIFE, an excellent communicator - it is a privilege, be trained by him, and to actually be in a meeting with him - Priceless.
Lastly, I want to say, that I have become so "Unreasonable" and am trying to convince every friend of mine to be active in IV for our issues, that I have come to a point where I want every high skilled immigrant to perceive solutions to immigration the way I do!!!
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12-19 06:30 PM
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07-17 09:22 PM
Hats off to IV core for sowing the seeds of today, 2 years ago. All the effort and sacrifice has come to fruition. Also, IV has got great media attention and has become a force to reckon with. Lets Party tonight.
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05-25 01:37 PM
hi can somebody please tell me that after doing DDS/DMD(doctorate of dental surgery) can we apply under H1B master quota
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dummgelauft
12-08 11:54 AM
Hello Ronhira,
If some orphan or homeless break your front door and enter into your house, would you allow him to stay with your family on Humanity basis ?
Why first of all INTENTIONALLY she entered other's territory ?
Tx
You are right on the money.
And all of us who are from India, let us not forget that INDIA faces similar issues of cross-border infiltration ( the reasons may be different), form some of our less than friendly neighboring countries.
Indian forces are trained and instructed to foil these guys from crossing over by whatever means necessary, including blowing their heads off with a well placed gunshot...and if arrested, we all know how our Police forces and other investigative agencies treat and interrogate the people in their custody...
Just one hypothetical question for these people...What if a pregnant female terrorist is arrested by police in India, just before she was about to engage in some terrorist act in India itself, is arrested and is shackled to her hospital bed, while she gives birth...would all of these "human rights supporters be saying these same things...
Where does the "humanity" that these "holier-than-thou" people are talking about, go.
We all feel happy when intruders are shot or arrested at out land borders....
If India has the right to protect its territory from illegal incursions by Citizens of other countries, why not US?
If some orphan or homeless break your front door and enter into your house, would you allow him to stay with your family on Humanity basis ?
Why first of all INTENTIONALLY she entered other's territory ?
Tx
You are right on the money.
And all of us who are from India, let us not forget that INDIA faces similar issues of cross-border infiltration ( the reasons may be different), form some of our less than friendly neighboring countries.
Indian forces are trained and instructed to foil these guys from crossing over by whatever means necessary, including blowing their heads off with a well placed gunshot...and if arrested, we all know how our Police forces and other investigative agencies treat and interrogate the people in their custody...
Just one hypothetical question for these people...What if a pregnant female terrorist is arrested by police in India, just before she was about to engage in some terrorist act in India itself, is arrested and is shackled to her hospital bed, while she gives birth...would all of these "human rights supporters be saying these same things...
Where does the "humanity" that these "holier-than-thou" people are talking about, go.
We all feel happy when intruders are shot or arrested at out land borders....
If India has the right to protect its territory from illegal incursions by Citizens of other countries, why not US?
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02-26 03:15 PM
I like your idea. And I do support it in spite I not being in similar situation.. However with a little bit experienece I have with similar work flow improvement projects I would like to point out that the impact on labour/cost has to be thought through. My understanding is the agency has not been using Visa numbers because they are heavily loaded. Now if you ask them to do this pre-adjudicataion for all cases that will impose a sever load on them. I may be completely wrong here - it could be another department, another agency so this may not be an issue at all.. but if possible think through this as we submit a proposal.. If needed (now gals and guys don't beat me up!) we could even pay them (So they could hire people) to get this pre-adjudication done?
Comments, retorts welcome.. no abuses pls we are all learning here!
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12-18 11:54 PM
Whoa guys, now we are talking... you just convinced me to forgo six 6-packs! My 40 bucks are on their way in cyberspace. Best of luck and let me know if I can help in any way...
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Maverick1
07-11 01:49 PM
I have great respect for Paskal. I found your posts to be level headed all the time. Looks like you took this personally this time. This only shows how frustrating these times are. This whole screwed up process is wrong and unfair. Any type of comparison us useless.
There are many factors that determine whether you applied EB2 or EB3. It is not just what your qualifications are. Some companies and attorneys have predispositions. Some companies are very liberal with their job descriptions and some or not. We all know that.
We can draw this argument to many levels.
Experience VS Master's degree
Indian degree vs US degree
Desi Body shop Vs Jobs in reputed companies
Company policy VS bought out LCs
Reputed Schools Vs So So schools
Fact of the matter is , There is still some challenge still in applying under EB1 (although I see many more EB1s these days than I used to). But we practically blurred the lines between EB2 and EB3. That is why people talk about EB2 VS EB3 not EB1 vs EB3.
There are many more qualified folks under EB3 for variety of reasons (who practically gave up any hope) and also some who were in EB2 that are probably not EB2 by strict interpretation and spirit of EB2.
Bottom line : We all screwed. Some more than others :)
Just my 2 cents :)
it goes deeper than that. first let me point out that this is philosophical- you argument is not about law, it's about a point of view.
so if i ask you why EB2 filers should spend extra years getting educated and never getting this all important magic "PD" and then get in line behind someone who got a job the day they entered the country- and got a PD soon enough- what would you say?
ask me. it took me 11 years to get a PD. why? for 7 of those years i was getting my advanced education. so why should i suffer behind the 3 year Indian degree person (against my 7 years there as well) who came in 5 years after me and filed right away?
there are reasons why the EB priorities were set up. by simply extending your logic EB1 should also wait for a turn and not have priority. what's good for the goose....
having said that, it is absolutely insane to ask people to wait indefinitely and we must do something about it.
today the EB3 folks (and I have nothing against them, their waits are insane- and it's absolutely not right) are porting to EB2 with those bachelors degrees and 5 years experience. and just because they could APPLY for a GC earlier and all their years get counted in the PD, they keep lining up ahead of me. why do all my years count for NOTHING?
please spare us "fortunate" EB2s a thought too. think of when in life our careers are finally freed from waiting for a GC.
and now please concentrate on ways to end retrogression and stop the EB2 vs EB3 crap. we all have our problems.
There are many factors that determine whether you applied EB2 or EB3. It is not just what your qualifications are. Some companies and attorneys have predispositions. Some companies are very liberal with their job descriptions and some or not. We all know that.
We can draw this argument to many levels.
Experience VS Master's degree
Indian degree vs US degree
Desi Body shop Vs Jobs in reputed companies
Company policy VS bought out LCs
Reputed Schools Vs So So schools
Fact of the matter is , There is still some challenge still in applying under EB1 (although I see many more EB1s these days than I used to). But we practically blurred the lines between EB2 and EB3. That is why people talk about EB2 VS EB3 not EB1 vs EB3.
There are many more qualified folks under EB3 for variety of reasons (who practically gave up any hope) and also some who were in EB2 that are probably not EB2 by strict interpretation and spirit of EB2.
Bottom line : We all screwed. Some more than others :)
Just my 2 cents :)
it goes deeper than that. first let me point out that this is philosophical- you argument is not about law, it's about a point of view.
so if i ask you why EB2 filers should spend extra years getting educated and never getting this all important magic "PD" and then get in line behind someone who got a job the day they entered the country- and got a PD soon enough- what would you say?
ask me. it took me 11 years to get a PD. why? for 7 of those years i was getting my advanced education. so why should i suffer behind the 3 year Indian degree person (against my 7 years there as well) who came in 5 years after me and filed right away?
there are reasons why the EB priorities were set up. by simply extending your logic EB1 should also wait for a turn and not have priority. what's good for the goose....
having said that, it is absolutely insane to ask people to wait indefinitely and we must do something about it.
today the EB3 folks (and I have nothing against them, their waits are insane- and it's absolutely not right) are porting to EB2 with those bachelors degrees and 5 years experience. and just because they could APPLY for a GC earlier and all their years get counted in the PD, they keep lining up ahead of me. why do all my years count for NOTHING?
please spare us "fortunate" EB2s a thought too. think of when in life our careers are finally freed from waiting for a GC.
and now please concentrate on ways to end retrogression and stop the EB2 vs EB3 crap. we all have our problems.
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cableching
08-21 05:41 PM
Are you EB3 ?
I am EB2 and my Priority Date is not current and it is 06 Sept 2006. I just wanted to check if my name check was cleared.
I am EB2 and my Priority Date is not current and it is 06 Sept 2006. I just wanted to check if my name check was cleared.
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thomachan72
04-11 10:29 AM
I reiterate what I said in my earlier post. The purpose of the post was not to start an argument. It was just an explanation of a baffling retrogression of dates.
Many people in these forums were asking bewilderingly, how can dates which were already retrogressed by eight years can go further back? Are there people around who are waiting for 8 years just to get their labors cleared? If their labors were already done, then what were they doing for 8 years before filing AOS petitions? I explained that no, nobody was waiting for all these years at the labor stage. These are new candidates utilizing old pre-approved labors. Thats all.
In fact, I predict retrogression to U level in EB2-I also. Many of these same people will now jump the queue again and switch to EB2 category.
Again, this is no judgment passing. Just an explanation of things as they stand. It is what it is.
Peace.
no problem. by the way before somebody jumps on you..pls update your profile. :D
Many people in these forums were asking bewilderingly, how can dates which were already retrogressed by eight years can go further back? Are there people around who are waiting for 8 years just to get their labors cleared? If their labors were already done, then what were they doing for 8 years before filing AOS petitions? I explained that no, nobody was waiting for all these years at the labor stage. These are new candidates utilizing old pre-approved labors. Thats all.
In fact, I predict retrogression to U level in EB2-I also. Many of these same people will now jump the queue again and switch to EB2 category.
Again, this is no judgment passing. Just an explanation of things as they stand. It is what it is.
Peace.
no problem. by the way before somebody jumps on you..pls update your profile. :D
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jsb
08-20 11:19 AM
I feel if one takes Info pass in September and pursue them(IO) to order VISA number for you as you are current in September. If one visits in August then its difficult to pursue them to order visa Number.
Again i am not saying our request will prompt them to order VISA number, but we have to try our best, when time is right.....
Yes, it will not help taking infopass in August. Everybody looks for quick resolutions, which for this case, will be "...your PD is not current". Try in early Septmeber, when your PD will be current. That is the best time for hoping some action
Again i am not saying our request will prompt them to order VISA number, but we have to try our best, when time is right.....
Yes, it will not help taking infopass in August. Everybody looks for quick resolutions, which for this case, will be "...your PD is not current". Try in early Septmeber, when your PD will be current. That is the best time for hoping some action
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ilangocal
04-07 02:06 PM
First of all, welcome to IV!
So far there is no information about how many H1B applications have been filed under US Master's or higher quota, but there is a rumor that it may reach as early as this week (I can't provide you a source for this rumor).
There is no tracking facility provided by the USCIS, however they will issue new release if the cap is reached. Note that the USCIS has to go through all the petitions they received so far to estimate how many of those applications fall into this specific category. As of now, the USCIS is accepting new H1B petitions falling under master's quota.
You may want to re-enroll as a student at one of the universities after June'08 to maintain your status, if you can not file for new H1B this fiscal year.
Hope this helps!
Do you think that all applications filed under Masters quota from April 2-6 will be accepted? Do you think people whose applications reached the USCIS on April 6, stand a chance under the Masters quota?
So far there is no information about how many H1B applications have been filed under US Master's or higher quota, but there is a rumor that it may reach as early as this week (I can't provide you a source for this rumor).
There is no tracking facility provided by the USCIS, however they will issue new release if the cap is reached. Note that the USCIS has to go through all the petitions they received so far to estimate how many of those applications fall into this specific category. As of now, the USCIS is accepting new H1B petitions falling under master's quota.
You may want to re-enroll as a student at one of the universities after June'08 to maintain your status, if you can not file for new H1B this fiscal year.
Hope this helps!
Do you think that all applications filed under Masters quota from April 2-6 will be accepted? Do you think people whose applications reached the USCIS on April 6, stand a chance under the Masters quota?
black_logs
12-20 09:52 PM
Guys,
We are really thankful for your contributions. Let me remind all the members here, every penny you are paying to IV is accounted for. All the expenses incurred by IV members for traveling to DC for various meetings are all non-billable and are borne by themselves. There are few core team members whose personnel expenses have gone beyond 10K. I believe each of you can very well understand their need for green card is no more or less than your need for the status. So everybody, I repeat, everybody, please come forward and contribute.
Thanks
We are really thankful for your contributions. Let me remind all the members here, every penny you are paying to IV is accounted for. All the expenses incurred by IV members for traveling to DC for various meetings are all non-billable and are borne by themselves. There are few core team members whose personnel expenses have gone beyond 10K. I believe each of you can very well understand their need for green card is no more or less than your need for the status. So everybody, I repeat, everybody, please come forward and contribute.
Thanks
Desertfox
12-05 11:46 PM
This is not about illegal immigration, this is bout how sheriff Joe uses the nativist sentiment of Arizona for his own political interest. I have been residing in sheriff Joe's jurisdiction for 5 years now and violent crime has gone up more than 60%. Response time to emergency calls is up drastically, and I have personal experience of that. There are 40,000 felony warrants pending on sheriff�s desk, and yet he takes his 50 deputies for so called illegal immigration sweep, which contributes only fraction of a percent to the number of deported illegals from Maricopa County. He has been absolutely successful in creating an anti illegal image that keeps him in his seat for years.
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